Sunday, August 03, 2008

adumbration of the week


"The site will further proceed as a regular movie reviewing site."

Dejan Nikolić, having abandoned what were loosely called "parodic activities" announces his reinvention as an autistic auto-retarded wall-eee character, pathetically turning over junk in a post futuristic wasteland.

24 comments:

dejan said...

hey rabbit shit, i hope you're enjoying your parodic triumph now that russia decided to protect the ossetian's pipl's right to self-determination in what is a brilliant parody of the western sponsoring... of the independence of the poor oppressid moozlim albanians this year.

only trouble is this time none of us will be laughing!

catmint said...

Each intervention could be a parody of the other. One difference is the Ossetians get citizenship to the Russian Empire (there are 70000 Sth Ossetians apparently). It's a real cold war "flashback" - but what can you do?

parody center said...

It's a real cold war "flashback" - but what can you do?

I don't know exactly what you can do, but you can certainly abandon BRITISH MARXISM especially of the TROTSKYIST variety which is largely responsible for the fact that all this is happening in the first place!!! Because from that side no help is coming, my dear Rabbit Shitter. Marxist Trotskyists created ''self-determination'' in the old Yugoslavia, and that's what blew the Balkans apart.

parody center said...

...and they also hushed up the fact that even as they might not have held Albanian dick in their hands in order to stimulate (over)population, Marshall Tito certainly did conveniently keep Kosovo undeveloped and sealed off, creating great conditions for rabbit breeding that even as it may not have been directly commandeered, as in paranoid neolib fantasies, certainly was foreseen by Tito's strategists as a very reliable source of future instability and a way of keeping Serbia crippled and impotent to stop the subsequent secession of its ex-brothers and sisters. And if I have to keep still saying this when I'm alone with Wall-E on the planet, by God I shall continue saying it.

catmint said...

One of the principle reasons for the growth of Kosovo's prodigious population growth was Titoist development - since the availability of healthcare reduced the death rate markedly without the birth rate declining as quickly.

The Trotskyist SWP, that I have never had anything to do with, has NO influence of British policy or NATO policy. The former British foreign minister Jack Straw used to be a Trotskyist, apparently, and some of the "decent left" ideologues. These gentlemen are doing there own thing now. Classic Trot positions tend to be internationalist and critical of NATO policy - hence they're critical of e.g. the anti-Serbian tilt of the press. Hence they're often accused of reflexively supporting e.g. Karadzic or Ahmedinejad.

catmint said...

Lindsey German got .68% of the vote in the London mayoral election (which had a 2nd preference repecharge thing so wasn't strict first past the post) - and London isn't an especially bourgeois part of this bourgeois country:

68% of 1% of the vote!

parody center\ said...

The Trotskyist SWP, that I have never had anything to do with, has NO influence of British policy or NATO policy.

That's not the point, the point is that they have no influence against it, that's why there's no revolution emerging.

The Yugoslav Trotskysts defended the position on self-determination and this was essential to Tito's constitution because the constitution was geared towards ''decentralization'' i.e reducing the power of Serbia over the federation.

As I told you before the high population in itself is not a problem, rather the fact that 90% of the population wanted to leave Yugoslavia for over fifty years. This clearly indicates that biological superiority was plugged into political ends. If the Albanians didn't end up outnumbering the Serbs, they also could not have driven them away (even with Tito's sponsoring) so that Kosovo is now almost totally Albanian. This because when this was happening Kosovo didn't have enough police force of its own or weapons in order to pull off an armed uprising and secession, namely.

catmint said...

re Jack Straw - I stand corrected:

Straw responded to Fisk’s factually incorrect aside like a man accused of a heinous crime, stating that to call him a Trotskyist was “a malicious libel.” Far from being a former Trotskyist, Straw indicated that his political sympathies and training could be traced back to Stalinism.

parody center said...

on Trotskyists in Yugoslavia:

http://www.columbia.edu/~lnp3/mydocs/fascism_and_war/trotsky.htm

parody center said...

...and by the way (you'll know this better than me given your interest in Marxism) wasn't the whole point of Lenin's - the really existing Lenin, not the lingerie bottom from the Tomb - national policy the pipl's right to self-determination?

catmint said...

Kardelj's '74 constitution also aimed to prevent the breakup of SFRY by making concessions to nationalism (principally Croatian nationalism) in order to isolate the hardcore nationalists who could then be directly repressed w/o provoking generalised disturbance. Evidently this weakened the integrity og the state and constituted a structural cause of the breakup of SFRY after 1989.

parody center said...

breakup of SFRY by making concessions to nationalism (principally Croatian nationalism) in order to isolate the hardcore nationalists who could then be directly repressed w/o provoking generalised disturbance

yes that's one of the many Commie adumbrations having been used instead of the more direct anti-Serbianism, indeed.

parody center said...

do pay attention to the double bind in the adumbration:

by making concessions to nationalism (principally Croatian nationalism) in order to isolate the hardcore nationalists

''combating nationalism by nationalism''

and why not make concessions to SERBIAN nationalism then?

catmint said...

"wasn't the whole point of Lenin's - the really existing Lenin, not the lingerie bottom from the Tomb - national policy the pipl's right to self-determination?"

I think you're thinking of Stalin's "socialism in one country" Lenin, and other marxist socialists, tried to halt the first world war in the name of internationalism. Lenin's pages seethe with hatred against the German socialist Karl Kautsky who wanted to make tactical concessions to German nationalism.

I believe the SWP hold to internationalism but are prepared to make tactical alliances with progressive nationalist movements (this is purely conjectural - I don't think anyone ever asks for their help) - hence what you satirise as the reaching to "oppressed muslims".

catmint said...

"tactical alliances with progressive nationalist movements"

they have joint demo's with the Muslim Association of Great Britain, namely

parody center said...

(this is purely conjectural - I don't think anyone ever asks for their help)

yes that's probably because noone really needs their help and noone really needs them on principle

- hence what you satirise as the reaching to "oppressed muslims".

Moozlims don't exist, Rabbit Clit. The majority of socalled Bosnian Moozlims are SERBS AND CROATS WHO ACCEPTED ISLAM - will you get that past your thick head. There are some, not very many, indigenous islamic peoples, and a few Turks and Egyptians. The Moozlim status was invented by Tito. Furthermore in such mixed communities there are so many mixed marriages that it's ludicrous to speak of ''nationality'' in principle. Most people over there used to see themselves as ''Bosniaks'' or ''Yugoslavs''.

parody center said...

they have joint demo's with the Muslim Association of Great Britain, namely

Ahaaaa no wonder I've been having dreams of Sherbertina dancing to SIMARIK http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3xx72NGrUc

catmint said...

... I wasn't referring to Bosnian Muslims

parody center said...

well yes Muslims in general do get repressed. I never disputed that nor do I stand behind it.

where I depart from the socialist view is that I think given the right historic opportunity, the Muslims would oppress Christians in the same way.

i don't think the world is yet ready for fullon socialism, in other words, although i do think it is necessary and an imperative to have some kind of a socialist ideal always as a guideline.

pa said...

As I was told before getting banned again at Batman's Butt Boy's, the Leninists feel that there was way too much repression in Kosovo. But I never denied it - there WAS enormous repression. Especially under Milosevic. However, you see, the question is: why? It could either be because the police apparatus and the ruling parties were trying to curb secession, or because the Serbian government was extremely repressive. Well the truth is that it's case number one: ever since the end of the Second World War, practically, Kosovar Albanians wanted to leave. Spurred by different factions: from Tito across Albanian Leninists and Trotskyists to KLA and NATO in the end. But also ,leaning on their rich heritage in collaboration with Nazi elements, to keep it polite.

The Leninist argument is something like: you should have been NICE to them. Now Rabbit Clit, imagine if Texas decided to secede tomorrow, or in fact any province inside the Euro-Atlantic federations. How do you think these Western governments would react? Do you really think they would be NICE to the separatists?

And in this way the political correctness reaches comic proportions.

catmint said...

I don't think Lenjino is being egregiously unfair suspending your socialist account for derailing his Ossetia discussion. From my understanding the Kosovar Albanians weren't collabos - I read somewhere they fought against the Italians in the first phase of the second world war.

"Kosovar Albanians wanted to leave"

yes, everyone agrees they largely wanted to leave. The thing would have been to "dialectically" defend federal socialism in Kosovo by setting up a local bourgeoisie, or substitute bourgeoisie. According to Misha Glennie this is would have been the upshot of the Titoist development strategy, but of course Kosovo's developmental problems weren't dealt with adequately. They still haven't been dealt with adequately.

The SWP are usually fairly unflinching in discussing the excesses of British Policy - "Lenin" wrote something recently about the seccessionist movement in Kenya in the 50s. They side with the underdog more than being dogmatically PC - which isn't the worst approach. And the PC-ness comes out of trying to be fair minded, ultimately.

parodijski centr said...

Stop quoting Glenny, it's a stupid book

yes, everyone agrees they largely wanted to leave

ok so WHY did they want to leave? Let's say they were repressed by Milosevic's police apparatus in the period 1989-1999. Why did they want to leave in the 1960s? And in the 1970s? Why did they consistently ignore the facilities provided by the Serbian government? Provide evidence for Serbian nationalism in this regard, please.

Leninino can't deal with the heat, that's why he banned me. He knows I'm not lying.

And the PC-ness comes out of trying to be fair minded, ultimately.

But this is precisely what is at stake. The ''fair-mindedness''. This socialist ambition to become God-like in their ability to pass moral judgment. The ambition to build a fair world government where everybody is equal; and the underlying belief in the empty core of ''humanity''. The abstraction of ''world proletariat'' building a ''Fourth International''. This is precisely what enables capitalism to co-opt socialism - because, you see, these are all LIES, or floating signifiers at best.

Look behind the curtain and there you have it: another Cold War curtain. And underneath it, another. This was Lacan's core point. There's nothing behind the mask!

But as I told you, I believe one still has to keep up the moral imperative - however without the deadly illusion that it can be achieved on earth, in this life.

catmint said...

a white mouse depresses a lever with its paws, a peanut is released - morality

catmint said...

all the above business - "LIES" - was liberalism. England at the start of the 19th century. Mill, Ricardo, Bentham etc. Marx merely develops this line of argument. Erases false ideas replaces them with new ones. Spengler informs us Marx's premises are the same as those of Adam Smith.

Almost the whole of the modern spectacle has its germ cell in 19h Century liberalism.

You might think Communism engendered Liberalism but the opposite is true, in universal terms. In the Eastern bloc much later there's the transition from Stalinism to reform communism to a kind of liberalism. The CP's in France and Italy complicate matters there. In Britain or the US communism had no importance other than as a negative regulatory ideal.